You have to be pretty radical to think Obama is a centrist. He will be as far left as he can possibly go. Clinton was a centrist in the aspect that he had no backbone so that if the tide of popular opinion turned towards conservatism, okay, he’ll balance the budget, pass welfare reform, lower the capital gains tax and support free trade.
Barry Goldwater is like the founder of libertarian republicanism. He went a little crazy towards the end, but was far, far more conservative than today’s Reps.
He lowered tax cuts on the rich. From 90% to 70%. I repeat myself, argue the numbers. I’m trowing your childish class warfare rhetoric in our face and you want to just avoid it.
How can the government provide money for middle class workers? The government only has money it takes from the people. Gah, I hate political rhetoric. It is so damn useless in reality.
You are absolutely insane. You have no context of history or fact. 1.) A Democratic Congress in the 1990s as they did in 2006, instituted PAYGO which has been attributed to balancing the budget under the Clinton years. President H.W. Bush worked with the Dems on this.
2.) Clinton had a backbone as is evident with the 1995 Government shut down, when a Republican Congress felt Clinton would cave in on eliminating the Earned Income Tax Credit.
You keep insulting me saying that I don’t understand history but you have yet to take something I’ve said and prove it wrong. If you like history, I have some video’s where I rate the best and worst President of U.S. history. You might enjoy it. Feel free to comment on what you disagree on. I am sure there will be a few picks that rile you up.
You seem to say that Clinton went with the mood of the nation, which is what we’ve expected from our elected officials. So, you’ve demonstrated yourself as being a hard line right winger (as if your web name didn’t give it away to begin with.)
As for Goldwater, where are you getting your information!?! Goldwater was a libertarian and in the 1980s under Reagan found that the Republican Party was becoming too radical.
Where did you prove me wrong? Where did you disprove the notion that Kennedy cut taxes on those EVIL, GREEDY, RICH PEOPLE!
You called me a “hard line right winger”. I guess. I’m definitely not a neo-con. I prefer to not be labeled but if I had to, I’d say Conservative Libertarian would be most fitting.
Goldwater voted against the Kennedy tax cuts because he felt we should not cut taxes before we pay for them (even if they eventually pay for themselves). He was a different kind of conservative.
To call Obama a centrist is laughable! Clinton moved to the center only after it was obvious that’s where he’d get the most votes. I also highly doubt he cut the federal budget by 50%. That doesn’t wash. Maybe one thing at one time was cut 50% but the entire federal budget was cut 50%, I can promise you that is untrue without even needing to look it up. This video demonstrates how far democrats have gone left. To deny that is funny. Now dems think higher taxes will boost an economy!
I dont believe democrats believe in giving tax cuts to people on welfare as you suggest,there are people doing it hard at the moment,its mostly people who earn less than 250000 that wont have taxes raised but it will be interesting to see if Obama keeps that promise
He won’t. He can’t, especially if he gets all of the programs that he wants. Remember that Clinton did the same thing: promised a middle class tax ut, and then, not only did he not cut middle class taxes,but he raised them substantially.
Are you saying that ‘average middle class and working class people are all bludgers and dont work,you seem to imply that its there fault,i agree that people who dont pay taxes shouldnt deserve tax cuts but ”middle class people whjo actually work deserve a break
Some of you guys are morons, the tax cuts JFK proposed were demend-side, which is Keynesian, it is differant from the Supply-side tax cuts of Bush II and Ronald Reagan.
kudos! I’d say the tax cut offered here proves that democrats have changed their spots in the last 40 years or so. this proposal by JFK smells like small government to me
Not really, government still grew under Kennedy. By the time of his death, he still had a large list of social programs to initiate. JFK wasn’t the full blown liberal like brother Ted, but he was by no means a small government adovcate conservatives like to think.
September 11th, 2009 at 5:32 pm
Which the Kennedy Administration considered a Secondary priority of those tax cuts. The main priority was to provide money for middle class workers.
September 11th, 2009 at 5:39 pm
You have to be pretty radical to think Obama is a centrist. He will be as far left as he can possibly go. Clinton was a centrist in the aspect that he had no backbone so that if the tide of popular opinion turned towards conservatism, okay, he’ll balance the budget, pass welfare reform, lower the capital gains tax and support free trade.
Barry Goldwater is like the founder of libertarian republicanism. He went a little crazy towards the end, but was far, far more conservative than today’s Reps.
September 11th, 2009 at 5:41 pm
He lowered tax cuts on the rich. From 90% to 70%. I repeat myself, argue the numbers. I’m trowing your childish class warfare rhetoric in our face and you want to just avoid it.
How can the government provide money for middle class workers? The government only has money it takes from the people. Gah, I hate political rhetoric. It is so damn useless in reality.
September 11th, 2009 at 5:46 pm
You are absolutely insane. You have no context of history or fact. 1.) A Democratic Congress in the 1990s as they did in 2006, instituted PAYGO which has been attributed to balancing the budget under the Clinton years. President H.W. Bush worked with the Dems on this.
2.) Clinton had a backbone as is evident with the 1995 Government shut down, when a Republican Congress felt Clinton would cave in on eliminating the Earned Income Tax Credit.
September 11th, 2009 at 5:49 pm
You keep insulting me saying that I don’t understand history but you have yet to take something I’ve said and prove it wrong. If you like history, I have some video’s where I rate the best and worst President of U.S. history. You might enjoy it. Feel free to comment on what you disagree on. I am sure there will be a few picks that rile you up.
September 11th, 2009 at 5:51 pm
You seem to say that Clinton went with the mood of the nation, which is what we’ve expected from our elected officials. So, you’ve demonstrated yourself as being a hard line right winger (as if your web name didn’t give it away to begin with.)
As for Goldwater, where are you getting your information!?! Goldwater was a libertarian and in the 1980s under Reagan found that the Republican Party was becoming too radical.
September 11th, 2009 at 5:53 pm
I have proved your comments wrong, just because you don’t wish to see it doesn’t mean I haven’t.
September 11th, 2009 at 5:56 pm
Where did you prove me wrong? Where did you disprove the notion that Kennedy cut taxes on those EVIL, GREEDY, RICH PEOPLE!
You called me a “hard line right winger”. I guess. I’m definitely not a neo-con. I prefer to not be labeled but if I had to, I’d say Conservative Libertarian would be most fitting.
Goldwater voted against the Kennedy tax cuts because he felt we should not cut taxes before we pay for them (even if they eventually pay for themselves). He was a different kind of conservative.
September 12th, 2009 at 12:32 am
To call Obama a centrist is laughable! Clinton moved to the center only after it was obvious that’s where he’d get the most votes. I also highly doubt he cut the federal budget by 50%. That doesn’t wash. Maybe one thing at one time was cut 50% but the entire federal budget was cut 50%, I can promise you that is untrue without even needing to look it up. This video demonstrates how far democrats have gone left. To deny that is funny. Now dems think higher taxes will boost an economy!
September 13th, 2009 at 7:35 am
A Democrat proposing a tax cut is a welcome, but ancient and extinct practice.
September 15th, 2009 at 12:14 pm
Democrats do believe in tax cuts,just not for people earning 10 million a year
September 16th, 2009 at 1:47 am
Democrats do not believe in tax cuts. Taking money from those who earn it and giving it to those who do not even pay taxes is not a tax cut.
September 16th, 2009 at 6:23 am
You seem to imply that teachers,mechanics,carpenters etc dont deserve a tax cut,why not?
September 16th, 2009 at 6:41 am
I dont believe democrats believe in giving tax cuts to people on welfare as you suggest,there are people doing it hard at the moment,its mostly people who earn less than 250000 that wont have taxes raised but it will be interesting to see if Obama keeps that promise
September 16th, 2009 at 10:04 pm
He won’t. He can’t, especially if he gets all of the programs that he wants. Remember that Clinton did the same thing: promised a middle class tax ut, and then, not only did he not cut middle class taxes,but he raised them substantially.
September 16th, 2009 at 10:05 pm
Tax cuts should be for people who pay taxes. Other than that, it is simply legalized robbery.
September 17th, 2009 at 6:54 am
Are you saying that ‘average middle class and working class people are all bludgers and dont work,you seem to imply that its there fault,i agree that people who dont pay taxes shouldnt deserve tax cuts but ”middle class people whjo actually work deserve a break
September 17th, 2009 at 10:10 pm
No, I am not saying that at all. All taxpayers need and deserve tax cuts.
November 12th, 2009 at 4:00 pm
When combined tax contributions exceed 51%, we can rightfully consider ourselves enslaved by Government.
This is NOT the way the system was designed. Its death by 1000 paper cuts: Each time Liberty is lost, we suck it up and move on.
November 14th, 2009 at 11:29 pm
With King George they rebelled at 14 % total taxation or something like that.
December 7th, 2009 at 4:44 pm
It’s Bush’s fault Kennedy said that!
December 21st, 2009 at 10:22 pm
Some of you guys are morons, the tax cuts JFK proposed were demend-side, which is Keynesian, it is differant from the Supply-side tax cuts of Bush II and Ronald Reagan.
December 22nd, 2009 at 5:14 am
@game3525
kudos! I’d say the tax cut offered here proves that democrats have changed their spots in the last 40 years or so. this proposal by JFK smells like small government to me
December 22nd, 2009 at 5:55 am
Not really, government still grew under Kennedy. By the time of his death, he still had a large list of social programs to initiate. JFK wasn’t the full blown liberal like brother Ted, but he was by no means a small government adovcate conservatives like to think.
December 22nd, 2009 at 4:41 pm
yeah he had plans for sure but this particular cut seems out of step…that’s all.. makes me wonder